steezyb Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) yep definitely looks like the arm numbers are two layer. You can see white edges on the 3. Edited April 4, 2016 by steezyb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeM7392 Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 I mean you'd probably see white edges on 1 layer sublimated too, but I think the telling thing is that it looks like the middle point on the right edge of the 3 has peeled up already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steezyb Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 good catch. didn't notice that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 I might have "kiss cut" and "reverse kiss cut" confused again, but if in fact the black layer is on top of the yellow as Hannu previously described, wouldn't that mean a corner of the yellow couldn't possibly peel up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeM7392 Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) Nah, the black part is peeling, you can see a shadow being cast under it. I have no idea what the terminology is for kiss cut stuff either. I think that's definitive proof that the game stuff was 2 layer though, if anyone was still questioning it. Great find on that picture. Edited April 4, 2016 by JoeM7392 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) I would agree, it couldn't possibly peel there if it was one layer. EDIT: Where did this picture come from, and is it a gamer? Which begs the question, what are all of you guys holding jerseys going to do about customizing them? Edited April 4, 2016 by mfitz804 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAK74 Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 I might have "kiss cut" and "reverse kiss cut" confused again, but if in fact the black layer is on top of the yellow as Hannu previously described, wouldn't that mean a corner of the yellow couldn't possibly peel up? The yellow could not possibly peel up, because it's the bottom base layer and it's stitched to the jersey via the same black thread that keeps the black strip attached to the yellow layer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steezyb Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) here is a close up of the back numbers from the same photo. Harder to tell than the arm number. And below is the original image[/url][/URL] Edited April 4, 2016 by steezyb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeM7392 Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) True, it's proof that the gamers were 2 layer if that is indeed a gamer. I'm assuming it is though, otherwise there wouldn't be much reason to post it. I was worried about peeling, and that proves it will be an issue how it was done. I'm going one layer from EPS, screw it. Edited April 4, 2016 by JoeM7392 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steezyb Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 sorry for the duplicate pic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 True, it's proof that the gamers were 2 layer if that is indeed a gamer. I'm assuming it is though, otherwise there wouldn't be much reason to post it. I was worried about peeling, and that proves it will be an issue how it was done. I'm going one layer from EPS, screw it. Screw it twice, I am too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steezyb Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) added original photo of Gibson to the post Edited April 4, 2016 by steezyb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAK74 Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) I mean you'd probably see white edges on 1 layer sublimated too, but I think the telling thing is that it looks like the middle point on the right edge of the 3 has peeled up already. It looks to me that the upper part of that might just be a black thread showing from sloppy stitching, and the bottom part not so much "peeling," but just a frayed sliver of the reflective material sticking out from the edge. The same fraying can occur on the outer edge of the twill even if it's stitched down. Edited April 4, 2016 by LAK74 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steezyb Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Yeah I think I will do the one layer as well. The pics fellow members showed looked fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeM7392 Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) It looks to me that the upper part of that might just be a black thread showing from sloppy stitching, and the bottom part not so much "peeling," but just a frayed sliver of the reflective material sticking out from the edge. Stupid phone screen. Looking at it on my computer, you may be right. Still, for the sake of my own sanity, I'm just going to do one layer. I don't feel like fighting with Josh and at least I'd never have to worry about throwing it in the wash or whatever. Edited April 4, 2016 by JoeM7392 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Stupid phone screen. Looking at it on my computer, you may be right. Still, for the sake of my own sanity, I'm just going to do one layer. I don't feel like fighting with Josh and at least I'd never have to worry about throwing it in the wash or whatever. I don't find the two layer option very a-peeling either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steezyb Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 i can get more close up pics if you guys want? Have a friend with access to getty images. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) Speaking for myself, I look at pictures of jerseys all day and would love to see more close ups if they are available. Edited April 4, 2016 by mfitz804 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steezyb Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) I have this one already. Love this pic of John Scott. Edited April 4, 2016 by steezyb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAK74 Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Got a message back from Josh. He says the game lettering was done offshore and that neither EPS nor anyone here can do the numbers like the gamers. So for those of us getting our stuff done at EPS, it's not a question of whether we want them single layer or otherwise, it's the only way they can do them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Got a message back from Josh. He says the game lettering was done offshore and that neither EPS nor anyone here can do the numbers like the gamers. So for those of us getting our stuff done at EPS, it's not a question of whether we want them single layer or otherwise, it's the only way they can do them. That explains why they are only partially sewn. It doesn't explain why I didn't get that answer when I asked, but ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMLFAN Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 So the jerseys were made in Canada, then mailed offshore to have the lettering done, and then sent back. Ok Josh, if you say so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Rhea Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Went to the HHOF today and I tried to get a decent picture of some numbers for you guysx will upload when I can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAK74 Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 So the jerseys were made in Canada, then mailed offshore to have the lettering done, and then sent back. Ok Josh, if you say so. To be fair, he didn't exactly say that in those words. He simply said "The numbers were made offshore and sewn on by RBK." It's quite likely the kits would have been sent here to North America to complete the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 I think the better question is, where is this mystical offshore place that can sew the numbers that way but NOBODY else can? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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