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This one was a new one to me:

Dear chai.bro,

It says "Fight Strap" and "Game Worn" in the title. No fight strap in pictures. No numbers or name on the jersey so how is it "Game Worn"?

- xxxxxxxx
Dear xxxxxxxx,

It's just extra tags for the search title. Obviously it's not game worn nor does it have a fight strap.

- chai.bro

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This one was a new one to me:

That's called search manipulation and you can actually report it for that.

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This one

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1990s-Anaheim-Mighty-Ducks-Authentic-Nike-Jersey-Size-56-/231308634538?pt=U_Hockey_Fan_Shop&hash=item35db11a9aa#ht_82wt_1034

looked kind of appealing to me, then I read....."For whatever reason, the previous owner felt the need to cut out the fight strap"

Kind of sucks, but it's not the worst thing in the world. No idea how rare that jersey is, or if Nike use different fight straps, but if it is rare enough to be worth the trouble I bet somebody on this forum has an extra fight strap lying around from a jersey used for name plates or something. Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't imagine it'd be that hard to swap one out.

Edited by hockeyjerseyssuck

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Lmao. Does that still qualify as "never worn"?

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Lmao. Does that still qualify as "never worn"?

Good question and probably not now lol. Not that it makes any difference but I, for the life of me, cannot tell if that is a man or woman in those pics. I really can't

Also LOL at the "Barry Beck is their first and only captain" line in the description. Ummmm they had about a half-dozen captains and none were Barry Beck lol.

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Good question and probably not now lol. Not that it makes any difference but I, for the life of me, cannot tell if that is a man or woman in those pics. I really can't

Also LOL at the "Barry Beck is their first and only captain" line in the description. Ummmm they had about a half-dozen captains and none were Barry Beck lol.

Umm, what the hell did I just see?

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this made do the laugh thing

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Update - got a notification from UPS that the buyer refused the package.

My guess is that this guy didn't want to pay duty on it - I shipped it with insurance for the full value of the item, with signature confirmation.

If he refused the shipment because of duty can he open a case against me?

If I'm on the hook for duty leaving Canada and coming back to Canada and the $55 I paid in shipping, is there anything I can do to get my money?

I've messaged him to ask him what is going on and I called eBay and they were less than helpful

eBay question:

Someone just purchased one of my jerseys at full pop and paid in full.

User has the user name of boke-kel-gkx83mxo7 and feedback of 0. They just joined eBay today.

It was my Jeff carter jersey and the person is based in LA so it is plausible.

Question is - how do I protect myself from a scam? I'm based in Canada so canada post is iffy.

Do I ship the item UPS, with full insurance and signature? That way if they claim they didn't get the item I have a signature?

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Correct me if I'm wrong , but thus far you still have the full purchase price plus shipping and the item is coming back to you? If so you haven't lost anything yet.

If he does make an "item not received" claim, you respond with the proof that it was shipped , it arrived, and it was refused.

I know eBay has a bad track record with that stuff, but it's hard to believe they'd decide against you. I'd offer to return whatever the balance was minus the shipping and customs costs, that should satisfy them.

I'd be very interested to hear the result of this.

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Generally on eBay, the buyer is responsible for the duty. Most sellers will state in their ad "not responsible for duties or import charges", but you don't HAVE to state that.

The buyer could potentially get you if you if in the listing you stated you would be using Canada Post as the shipping carrier. The reason, what they are actually being charged for isn't just a duty, but an overpriced UPS service. UPS "clears" each package regardless of value, and charges a flat rate for that service, on top of the tax. I don't know what they charge off the top of their head, but the last time I bought an item from the states to Canada that was shipped using UPS, I think I paid 80 for the item via Paypal, and I was charged 45 by UPS.

Basically, if you stated you ship with Canada Post when listing the item where eBay asks the shipping method, and the person asks for a full refund, they could potentially win by arguing that they are being charged for a service (UPS Brokerage Fee) that they didn't agree to. (Since they paid for an auction that was said would ship via Canada Post). Whether they'll be knowledgeable enough to make this argument is a different story.

As a last ditch effort, you could look up how to self clear packages at customs. If you can convince the buyer to do that, they will only be on the hook for the taxes, and not UPS' brokerage fee. What UPS is charging him for is both the taxes, and their inflated service charge for self clearing the package.

In the future, use Canada Post. You can claim the entire amount for insurance, and the person isn't going to get charged a huge brokerage fee, and may not even be charged the import tax. They have services that include insurance/signature confirmation, just they are expensive.

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Correct me if I'm wrong , but thus far you still have the full purchase price plus shipping and the item is coming back to you? If so you haven't lost anything yet.

If he does make an "item not received" claim, you respond with the proof that it was shipped , it arrived, and it was refused.

I know eBay has a bad track record with that stuff, but it's hard to believe they'd decide against you. I'd offer to return whatever the balance was minus the shipping and customs costs, that should satisfy them.

I'd be very interested to hear the result of this.

I don't think there's any way he can lose the jersey+the money. But if he didn't have an agreement to send with UPS, the buyer could potentially request the entire refund, meaning, the sender would lose out on the shipping cost.

Keep in mind, I've never heard of it happening. But I could see eBay or Paypal siding with a buyer who argued that the listing said it would ship via Canada Post but instead it was shipped with a different service, and was refused as a result of brokerage charges associated with that service.

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I didn't mean he'd lose both. If delivery was refused he would obviously get the jersey back.

What I was saying is no claim has been made yet so he isn't out anything.

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It'd be awesome if Alere gets back his jersey in the mail and keeps the payment. Bam!

It would be, but that will only happen if the buyer doesn't make a claim, which seems very unlikely.

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I think Hockeyjerseyssuck has a very good argument there. I did list Canada Post as the method of shipment, but in my experience for US packages they dont care about signature confirmation even though they offer it.

I spoke with UPS and they said that the customs fees were as follows:

$130 Duty

$20 brokerage fee

$2 government fee

The duty amounts to 32.5% of the value that I insured it as. UPS also said that I'm on the hook for the full charges going into the US and coming back from the US if I want my package returned to me - so $300 in charges to get my item back.

After doing some reading on this specific topic, ebay policy says that I did everything right and that if the buyer refuses delivery he loses his buyer protection.

I think if I do end up getting the item back, he is eligible for a refund - minus the charges incurred in getting the item back to me. Which would be the $300.

ebay has provided me with the guys phone number so I'll call him and try and reason it out with him - hopefully we can work something out. Ultimately if I have to eat $50 or $75 to get him to accept I would probably do that rather than go through all the hassles of getting the item back.

As things keep going I'll update everyone. Thanks for your insights, they are much appreciated!

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PS duty should never be 32.5%. I get stuff from meigray with much less duty than that. Plus taxes in Canada are much higher than taxes in the US

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That's an insane charge.......I've got no idea why the duty would be that high. Unless there are other fees or charges that they count within the duty....but that would make no sense.

I was also unaware that you had to still pay for a brokerage fee both ways if someone refuses the package. That's pretty lame. Just another reason to avoid UPS and their garbage.

Bad situation for both you and the buyer. Hopefully you find a way to get it sorted out without losing too much money.

Google how to self clear a package in the US. Maybe there will be a way to do it while only paying applicable US taxes.

Edited by hockeyjerseyssuck

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Is there not a formula for buyers and sellers to determine the duty BEFORE entering into the transaction? All I ever hear is people being surprised by the duty.

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I'm in a similar situation. A Canadian buyer wanted to buy a jersey off of me outside of eBay. They finally sent the payment "for goods" and I sent it. They weren't home to sign for the package, so it went to the post office for them to eventually pick up.

Apparently, the day AFTER it was out for delivery, the buyer sends me an email that they weren't home to sign for it, and that they were being charged roughly $27 in duty fees and wanted me to "fix that" for them.

I didn't reply, and I never heard from them again. It's been about three weeks, and when I punch in the tracking info on the USPS or Canadain post Apps, it still says it's at the post office for pickup for the buyer.

I'm hoping this doesn't bite me in the a$$, but I haven't heard anything from the buyer or PayPal yet.

Edited by thebiggoalie

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Update #2

No dispute opened by the buyer yet

UPS says that they will hold the package until August 26 - at which time they will consider it abandoned unless the duty is paid or I ask them to return it back (which I will have to pay $200)

Paypal says that if the item is refused, I have to give a refund because I will get the item back. I actually spoke with a dispute specialist and told them about the cost for me to get the item back ($200) who said that even if it is abandoned because of the duty charges I may still have to give a full refund.

I'm getting the charges in writing from UPS to add to a potential case against me - which is like pulling teeth.

I hope that I can get him to agree to me paying $50 of the duty charges to get him to accept it.

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Update #2

No dispute opened by the buyer yet

UPS says that they will hold the package until August 26 - at which time they will consider it abandoned unless the duty is paid or I ask them to return it back (which I will have to pay $200)

Paypal says that if the item is refused, I have to give a refund because I will get the item back. I actually spoke with a dispute specialist and told them about the cost for me to get the item back ($200) who said that even if it is abandoned because of the duty charges I may still have to give a full refund.

I'm getting the charges in writing from UPS to add to a potential case against me - which is like pulling teeth.

I hope that I can get him to agree to me paying $50 of the duty charges to get him to accept it.

I'm sure you are already thinking this, but that is ridiculous. It really makes you think twice about dealing over the border.

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If it was someone who had decent feedback I would have done my normal canada post expedited with $80 value and not worried about it.

I thought it was a scam to start with, it is to a certain extent but it is an uneducated buyer who doesn't even realize what he is doing.

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If it was someone who had decent feedback I would have done my normal canada post expedited with $80 value and not worried about it.

I thought it was a scam to start with, it is to a certain extent but it is an uneducated buyer who doesn't even realize what he is doing.

You must be right, if he knew what he was doing he would have filed his claim by now.

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I'm sure you are already thinking this, but that is ridiculous. It really makes you think twice about dealing over the border.

To be fair, I've been buying on eBay for a decade, almost everything from the US. Only once have I had an issue with a package that was out of my or the sellers control.

This is more of a UPS being bat s*** insane with their charges and business model issue.

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